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Alexander
Wed Aug 24 2005, 04:55

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I`m near completing a new track. My only problem is that the kick isn`t as hard and deep as I would like it to be. I`ve tried many different techniques and still can`t get it right.

Background info: I usually make samples with Acid and work them over to Reason. I love the TR-909! I only have Acid, here in Japan.

Anyway, I was wondering if turning down the tracking of the samples combined with hats, snares, and effects would help. Then I would simply turn up the kick. I`ve tried compression, but when it gets to sound the way I want it to; it clips! I`ve shortened this track down to 2 channels. Samples/FX/Hats/Snares, and Kick is all alone.

If all else fails, I`ll just recreate it in Reason when I get home.

Would a sound engineer be able to bring things like that out?

I appreciate any replies.

Thanks for reading!

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Wed Aug 24 2005, 08:40
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Please post a little soundclip so I can hear what you are talking about. Are you using sample based kick-drums?


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Wed Aug 24 2005, 08:52

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Well, I think it might be sample based. I don`t have Reason here, so I downloaded the TR 909 samples from a site. It sounds very different from the Reason Refill TR909.

I followed your tips and they helped greatly.

Thanks!



<span class='smallblacktext'>[ Edited Fri Sep 16 2005, 07:31PM ]</span>

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Wed Aug 24 2005, 09:20
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Not too bad. What do you exactly want? More kicking bassdrum?

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Wed Aug 24 2005, 09:25

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Thanks!

Yea, I want it deeper and heavier. I put it in my friend`s system, but I can`t even feel the kick. It feels like thumping instead of banging.

Do you think the part with the sample is too loud over the kick?

I realize that there`s a lot of bass and it might be contributing to fading my kick.

<span class='smallblacktext'>[ Edited Wed Aug 24 2005, 09:30PM ]</span>

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Wed Aug 24 2005, 09:36
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Use a sample-based sound for the kickdrum. For example download the kicks from my samples-section.. Use sidechain compression:
Kickdrum--> Send Chain
MainSample (and bassdrum) --> Receive Chain
This is a common technique for the pump effect.

Do your compressors support sidechaining?

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Hmm... I`ll check.

EDIT:
I don`t think I can do it from Acid. I searched the index and it doesn`t have sidechaining.

I usually compress it as best I can.

I can`t remember if Reason has it or not.

Is that the same as Bussing?
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Wed Aug 24 2005, 09:45
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dB Audioware Dynamics VST plugin can do this.
But a different sound for the kick should help more.

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Wed Aug 24 2005, 09:48

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Thanks!

Yea, I saw something called Bus, but I guess that`s different from chaining.

How can I get the db audioware plugin?

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in the db Dynamics Plugin you can easily set this up.
Well you should buy them if you like them. ;-)

But there is a demo of the dB Dynamics Processor. Have a look at the official db AudioWare homepage:

http://www.db-audioware.com/dB-D-dynamics-processor-more.htm

Let me know if this works for you!

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